Stephan Livera Podcast

Paolo Ardoino: Stop Tokenizing Apple Shares | SLP786

Tokenizing Apple shares is not innovation. Paolo Ardoino of Bitfinex argues the Bitcoin way to securities is opening capital markets for companies that cannot raise like a Manhattan issuer β€” not wrapping megacap stocks e...

2026-11-03

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Tokenizing Apple shares is not innovation. Paolo Ardoino of Bitfinex argues the Bitcoin way to securities is opening capital markets for companies that cannot raise like a Manhattan issuer β€” not wrapping megacap stocks everyone can already trade at a bank.We also cover exchange OPSEC after a large hack, why Lightning wins on physics for agentic payments, zero trading fees, the Liquid incident, and RGB as a transport layer.00:00 β€” Intro00:34 β€” Reaction to the Binance Hack02:10 β€” Do Hacks Scare People Off Bitcoin?02:27 β€” Custody and Self-Custody Both Look Fragile05:11 β€” Employee Laptops and LinkedIn Targeting07:53 β€” Multisig UX Still Fails Normies10:34 β€” Exchanges Are Not Banks11:36 β€” Why Shared-State Chains Cannot Scale Agents13:32 β€” Lightning Wins Because of Physics15:41 β€” Liquidity Gravity Around Big LN Nodes17:01 β€” Hub Risk Without Protocol Failure18:30 β€” Let Agents Invent Payment Protocols20:33 β€” Zero Fees Instead of Taxing Retail22:03 β€” Who Bitfinex Serves in 202623:21 β€” The Bitcoin Way to Securities25:44 β€” Microcredit, Bitcoin Treasuries, Liquid27:32 β€” Liquid Hack and the Near-Term AI Threat29:06 β€” Tokenize Farmland, Not Just Stocks32:40 β€” Inclusion on the Sell Side Too35:08 β€” RGB, Taproot Assets and Transport Layers37:32 β€” Fork Markets Put Money Where Mouth Is#Bitcoin #Lightning #Bitfinex #Tokenization #ExchangeSecurity #AgenticPayments #StephanLivera #StephanLiveraPodcast